dimanche 20 juillet 2008

"Poker Run": A Fun Time with Obvious Safety Concerns?

Update, (August 5): It appears that citizens and event organizers have come to an 'agreement' on the future of the "poker run" following a heated discussion during the municipal council meeting on August 1; not withstanding the absence of the Maire and lack of municipal leadership. The longest serving municipal councilor, Michel David, pleaded ignorance of Transport Canada's permit requirement(s) even though both he & Maire were on municipal council when town adopted the speed limit laws for the lake. Too funny!
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M. Jacques P. Dupuis
Ministère de la Sécurité publique
2525, boulevard Laurier, 5e étage
Tour des Laurentides
Québec (Québec) G1V 2L2

RE: “poker run”

The annual “poker run” was held on Saturday July 19, 2008. It looks like a fun event.

Although I am not against the concept of a “poker run”, I do have several concerns:

Planning: Having between 40 and 50 boats, with about twenty 30 to 40-foot “cigarette” boats, from outside the municipality of Lac-Simon visit the lake for a July construction holiday weekend is not good planning on the part of neither the event organizers, nor the municipality. I would argue that there is a limit for any lake in terms of quantity, size, and speed of boats. Moreover, this should not be held in July.
Friday night marina arrival.

Saturday morning pre-race.

Safety: The municipal council and the Maire of Lac-Simon, Serge Thivierge, must have as their priority - safety. Most of the 1550 homeowners refrain from venturing onto the lake during the event. Boats at speeds of upwards 100km/hr is a clear and present danger. These 30 to 40-foot “cigarette” boats are made for the "ocean", not inland lakes.
Boat returning to finish line.

Boat returning to finish line.

Boats returning to finish line.

Boat, with large wake, driving past marina, at faster than necessary speeds?

Children Safety
: Children were forced out of the water at the start when 40 to 50 boats left the bridge going north towards Duhamel. The 2 to 3-foot wakes were a clear and present danger to small children playing in the water.

Blocking Bridge traffic: The start area was at the bridge. Boats that were lined up for the start were blocking access to the bridge. Boats coming from Lac-Barriere were forced to weave their way through the maze of stationary “poker run” boats. (see bridge photo) Boat traffic under the bridge must never be blocked.

Boats gathering at start. Why block the bridge?

Helicopter
: A helicopter was filming the event. (see video - coming soon) Helicopters hovering 10 feet over the water and boaters, mere meters away from beaches with children, the tree line and homes is a clear and present danger. Was the municipal aware of the helicopter beforehand? Was a municipal permit issued? What are the Transport Canada laws of flying a helicopter at that altitude for such a superfluous event?

Helicopter appearing from Baie Blais, then filming the 50 boats the length of the 10 km long section of the lake, at about 20 feet above water along the shoreline.



Police: There should be a police presence that follows the event in its present state. The regular QPP boat that was on the lake the day after, on Sunday July 20, 2008 must be on the lake during the event. The 2 “seadoos” that were on the lake Saturday July 19 are no match for the over twenty 30 to 40-foot boats that speed up to 100km/hr. Did the municipality request a regular QPP boat during the “poker run”?

Municipal exemptions: I would argue that a majority of citizens of Lac-Simon (80-90%) are against the exemptions the municipality of Lac-Simon gave for this specific event:
  • 30-foot maximum is waived
  • $100.00 entry fee for boats between 22 & the maximum allowed 30 is reduced to $15.00.
  • Boats longer than 30-feet are allowed for the weekend, some entering Friday night; others not leaving till to Monday evening.

Citizen happiness: I would argue that at least 80-90% of the lakefront homeowners are against the “poker run”.

Economic benefits: I would argue that there is little economic benefit for the businesses of the municipalities of Cheneville or Lac-Simon.

Boat with "rooster tail" near shoreline on Saturday night.

Boat with rooster tail on Sunday night. What's the point?


Municipal vision: I would argue that the MRC Papineau and Municipality vision of creating a “kayaking” route along the Petite Nation and Lac-Simon is inconsistent with the “poker run”. 40-foot boats at 100km/hr with 2 to 3-foot wakes are a clear and present danger to kayakers, and other small craft. They are inconsistent.
Saturday evening beach rendez-vous; Looks like a good time!

Environment: The shoreline is being damaged with increased erosion by the huge waves, especially at the start when 50 boats leave the bridge/marina going north all at the same time.

Water pollution: Homeowners have complained that the water line of their boats are filthy the day after the "poker run"; probably because of the excessive high octane gasoline of some of the larger boats.

Noise Pollution: Because some boats do not have mufflers or switch them off, just one boat interrupts a conversation on a deck and leads to window closure. The noise is revolting.

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Thus, I request that the municipality of Lac-Simon:
  • legislate a 70 km/hr maximum speed limit for Lac-Simon; Advise Transport Canada of the new law; Have the police enforce such a speed limit;
  • stop giving fee access exemptions. All boats entering the waters of Lac-Simon must have there boat cleaned ($15.00) and pay the entrance fee (under 22 feet = $25.00; between 22 & 30 feet = $100.00) as the municipal bylaws require;
  • enforce a complete 100% ban on boats greater than 30 feet from entering of Lac-Simon.
  • legislate that exhaust mufflers be mandatory on all boats.

A poker run could continue, just respect the aforementioned parameters.

Thanking you in advance.

Sincerely,

Paul Malouf

CC: Sûreté du Québec
Norm MacMillan, Député de Papineau
Ghislain Ménard, Directeur Général de MRC Papineau
Association des Propriétaires du Lac Simon

115 commentaires:

Anonyme a dit...

I 100% agree with this post, these boats serve no one but the boat owners.

Paul, is there an email address where we can email you?

thanks

Anonyme a dit...

get a life paul. I was there and 85% of the boat were from the lake Simon and as you know is not many boat on the lake, so no one could be hurt.

Anonyme a dit...

Je regrette, je suis contre un tel événement. Vous trouvez que ça impressionne et que ça roule vite sur le Lac Simon, alors, imaginez-vous comment c'était du côté Lac Barrière, là où le lac est très étroit. Il y avait à un moment donné 3-4 et même 5 bâteaux à toute allure avec un hélicoptère qui survolait le tout à ras le sol. La sécurité du Lac m'a dit que c'était normal et que l'événement devait être filmé. De prendre mon mal en patience et de vivre avec car c'était seulement une journée. Il m'a dit que le début était sur le Lac Barrière mais qu'ensuite les bateaux allaient du côté Lac Simon pour finir la journée avec un party sur une plage. Plusieurs de ces bâteaux sont revenus tard le soir à la brunante à toute vitesse. Je n'ai pas permis à mes enfants d'aller pêcher en chaloupe cette soirée-là. On ne doit pas encore payer assez cher pour pouvoir en profiter en paix. Les retombées économiques sont pour qui dans cette journée??? Les règlements sont pour qui??? Le Lac Simon ce n'est pas le Lac Ontario ni l'océan. Un peu de respect.

Johanne

Anonyme a dit...

85%des participants etaient des residents du lac donc des payeurs de taxes aussi 1 fois par annee c
est pas la fin du monde go go go c est le temps d aller a la peche c est tranquille maintenant tres bel evenement a l an prochain
salut Paul vivre et laisser vivre

Anonyme a dit...

Chere Johanne, moi aussi jhabite le lac barriere et c etait fabuleux. tous le monde etaient sur les quais a prendre des photos, meme les touristes qui louent des chalets pres de chez nous. pour une fois qu il se passe quelquechose sur le lac simon. je regrette le temps ou on avait des courses de skidoo sur le lac au manoir en ete, les competitions de barefoot a la baie de l ours, la traversee du lac simon a la nage, la parade au flambeau des bateaux et les courses de skidoo sur le lac en hiver. plus rien rien de rien maintenant. Pour une fois qu il y a une activite qui se passe sur le lac il y a des chialeux qui devraient s acheter des chalets au Lac Charlebois a la dimension de leur esprit obtus.

Rox

Anonyme a dit...

Et bien mon cher Paul, tu vieilli bien mal. tout te derange. Le quai de l un, le terrassement de l autre. Toi et johanne de l ASSOCIATION DES CHIALEUX DU LAC SIMON vous seriez peut etre mieux de vous installer au Petit Lac Simon. A peine une dizaine de bateaux de plus de 30 pieds etaient sur le lac cette journee la comme visiteurs. Je connais personnellement des personnes agees qui ont demenage du lac simon car ils trouvaient que c etait rendu plate a mort apres la periodes des vacances. Pour ce qui est des vagues, tu n as jamais connu les grands vents nord et sud, les crues des eaux du printemps, surtout ce printemps alors arrete d ecrire n importe quoi sur ton site et de prendre le monde pour des valises. Demenage toi pis ta petite gang!

Alain

Anonyme a dit...

Allo Paul pour les retombees economique, le Poker Run qui est une activites familiale (il y avait plusieurs enfants et grand-parents autant durant le poker Run qu au Party apres). 85% des embarcations etaient de l ordre de 18 pieds a 22 pieds, dont un seadoo et 3 pontons. Et le gagnant etait a bord d un 18 pieds. Et ce n etait pas une course. Un montant de 3660.30$ a ete remis a la municipalite i.e aux payeurs de taxes pour les feux d artifices qui auront lieux ce weekend et qui sont probablement ta prochaine cible. Apres tu aboliras peut etre le rire des enfants. Vive les activites nautiques du Lac Simon car il n y en a plus. Merci aux organisateurs.

Tyl.

Anonyme a dit...

Je suis une participante depuis 3 ans maintenant. Je suis boulversee par tes commentaires negatifs sur ce bel evenement. J etais la toute la journee jusqu a 9h30 heures a la fete qui fut un succes. Il y avait beaucoup de beaux prix provenant de commanditaires du Lac Simon et des alentours. Plus de 3000$ en prix qui ont tous ete gagnes par des residents du Lac Simon. Bravo! A repeter a chaque annees.

Sylvie

Anonyme a dit...

Je crois que la démocratie permet aux gens d'avoir une opinion. À ceux qui signent anonymes permettez-moi d'ignorer vos commentaires.

Je n'ai rien contre le poker run, ce que je déplore c'est la sécurité de l'activité. Moi aussi j'adorais les parades et la traversée à la nage, les courses de ski doo, de motocross et les carnavals. Ces activités n'étaient quand même pas je crois non sécuritaire pour l'entourage. Je suis une participante à la majorité des activités autour du lac et même dans les villages autour.

Et non, je ne déménagerai pas ailleurs car pour moi, il n'y a pas meilleur endroit que le Lac Simon et ce depuis toujours.

Quant aux touristes qui louent des chalets, permettez-moi d'ajouter que lorsque le lac ne sera plus un lac, ils loueront ailleurs mais vous...!

Si la municipalité veut compétitionner avec les régates de Valleyfield qu'elle mette en place la machine y compris la sécurité mais attention ça coûte!!!

Johanne

Anonyme a dit...

Poker runs, only enjoyed by those participating in them, would be fine...on the ocean or the St. Lawrence or on one of The Great Lakes. Lac Simon isn't an unusally large lake but it is filled with cottagers doing cottage things like swimming, tubing, kayaking...Kind of hard to enjoy those activities with a huge V8 coming down at you, so of course, we just don't. If you have to own a monster boat, do us all a huge favour. Go and enjoy it on an immense area of water where we can't hear or see you. Of course, you probably want to be seen but truthfully, we don't give a flying f*** how big your engine is. To us, it's just a big pain in our taxpaying ass.

Anonyme a dit...

The lake is a society and democracy - it should be put it to a vote by the municipality or lake association.

Do the 1500 homeowners want:
-> this event and the $3000 additional revenue ($2/each)? (I vote no - keep your $2)
-> boats larger than 30 feet? (I vote no, but I thought this had already been decided)
-> mandatory mufflers on engines? (I vote yes - why would anyone vote otherwise?)

Anonyme a dit...

pauvre paul tu semble tres malheureux au lac simon a lire ton site .. je me pose des questions j ai relu plusieurs fois et je n ai rien trouve de positifs tu vie en societe paul so mind your own business pis laisse les autres vivre et s amuser pis amuse toi aussi au lieu d arceller les autres martin

l’Association des propriétaires du lac Simon a dit...

Monsieur le maîre,
Madame et Messieurs les conseillers,

Bonjour,

Lors de la dernière réunion du conseil, vous avez fait une remarque concernant la possibilité d’introduire une motion visant à modifier le règlement 385-2007 concernant le contrôle d’accès au lac Simon afin de permettre aux embarcations des non-contribuables d’acheter « une passe saisonnière » au lieu de payer chaque fois qu’ils utilisent le débarcadère municipal. Nous souhaitons vous faire part de l'opposition de l'Association des propriétaires du lac Simon à l'adoption possible des modifications demandées par ces non-contribuables.

Les propriétaires de bateaux de 50,000$ et plus n’ont-ils pas les moyens de payer le tarif pour défrayer les services et pour avoir accès à notre lac, un montant quand même raisonnable?

Est-ce qu’on prévoit diminuer les tarifs pour les vignettes d’accès pour les bateaux d’un résident contribuable s’il a plus d’un bateau? Non! L’utilisateur paye pour les services d’accès et la sécurité nécessaire.

Est-ce que les résidents auront un escompte s’ils n’occupent pas la maison à l’année longue? Non! Ils payent X$ chaque année peu importe le nombre de jours qu’ils passent au lac.

En effet, nous croyons que les raisons de protection de l'environnement et de la qualité de vie des résidants qui vous ont incitées à adopter la règlementation d'accès au lac aux embarcations venant de l’extérieure sont tout aussi valables pour ne pas offrir « d’aubaine » aux non-contribuables.

Aussi, nous déplorons le fait que la municipalité ait autorisé des « tarifs aubaines » pour l’accès des bateaux de plus de 30 pieds le samedi 19 juillet. Quelle valeur ont-ils ajouté à la qualité de vie autour du lac sans parler (parce qu’avec le bruit qu’ils ont amené, on a eu de la difficulté a se faire entendre) de la destruction des berges causée par les vagues constantes toute la journée longue. Combien d’eux ont été hébergés dans nos auberges, nos gites…, ont acheté de l’essence, de la bière, de la bouffe localement Très peu, je crois.

Les inconvénients liés à la présence de ces embarcations de plus de 30 pieds sur notre lac demeurent, tant pour la qualité de vie que pour la protection des berges. Nous devrons tous le protéger de façon maximale. Il faut que le conseil enlève le droit d’accès spécial accordé aux bateaux de plus de 30 pieds.

Je vous remercie de l'attention que vous porterez à la position que nous exprimons et vous prie de recevoir mes plus cordiales salutations.

l’Association des propriétaires du lac Simon

Anonyme a dit...

Avis à l'Association des chialeux du Lac Simon: Le lac est un endroit public, donc accessible à tous, pas seulement aux propriétaires riverains. Je ne suis pas contre toute forme de règlements et oui, je veux le protéger. Il y a de place pour tout le monde qui donc ete vous pour décider qui a le prévilege de profiter du lac qui d'entre vous a un systeme sanitaire vieux de plus de 40 ans les supers protecteurs... plutot que de surveller les autres faite donc un examens de consciense plutot que de pointer du doigt salut les chialeux

Anonyme a dit...

Salut Paul. J ai ete enchante de te rencontre lors du conseil de la municipalite de lac simon. Je sais maintenant que tu es interesse a participe au prochain Poker Run. Avec les renseignements que tu as obtenus a ce Conseil, j espere que ton opinion a change et que tu vas le faire savoir au Ministre Jacques Dupuis de la Securite publique a qui tu as adresse ta lettre. Alain

Anonyme a dit...

Tres tres chere Association de mes Deux et specialement Vous MADAME LEDUC. Regardez donc tous les degats qu ont cause les pluies torrentielles de cet ete avec tous nos terrains qui se sont deverses et deboules dans le lac et vous reparlerez des vagues et de l erosion. la prochaine lettre de chialage. Adressez la donc au Bon Dieu.

Roxane

Phil a dit...

Incroyable, pour ceux qui doute des dangers d'un tel evenement, personnellement a plusieurs reprises j'ai manque de me faire tuer par des bateaux moteurs.

Evidemment, les conducteurs n'avaient pas bus, avaient tous leurs gillets de sauvetages, tous des payeurs de taxes tous comme moi...

Pourquoi remettre ces evenemets en cause surtout quand c'est plus qu'evidant qu'il y a quoi une dizaine de citoyens satisfaits?

Je n'arrive toujours pas a comprendre les citoyens du Lac Simon qui n'y voit aucun mal...

Le Lac Simon depuis les trentes dernieres annees a vu le traffic de bateaux moteurs augmentes dramatiquement, la pollution, le bruit, les rives endommagees....


Ah donc si j'ai bien compris je suis un "chialeux"... Mais vous n'avez pas honte?

Moi je crois que pour ceux qui adorent le bruit des moteurs nous allons forme une chorale et faire du porte a porte afin de partager notre amour des chants de noel gregoriens et si vous ausez commenter ben la y a rien a comprendre comme on nous dit "vivre et laisser vivre".

Anonyme a dit...

Hello Bonjour!

Does anyone understand anything that Paul is saying....My goodness we have one of the few lakes left that isn't too polluted!!!! We want to preserve this. We want to keep our lake healthy. Why are the Bays Groulx and Yelle with blue and red Algae???? Because there is no vegetation of at least 5 meters bordering the water. The Toxic products are being sent directly into the waters. No trees no shrubs no filtering of toxic cleaning products etc etc.
If everyone would plant shrubs or afew trees in front of their beautiful mowed lawns, and would start using only non-toxic products, it would be a great start for saving our beautifl lake. (Here are a few brands that are biodegradble and non toxic. Attitude, Method, BioVert found at Pharmaprix, Jean Coutu and a few grocery stores. Please don't wait act now).
And for the people that call the association l ASSOCIATION DES CHIALEUX DU LAC SIMON well then I am part of it because I might not be 20 years old, but I want my children and grandchildren to be able to swim without danger to their healths in our lake. So if the following comment "Et bien mon cher Paul, tu vieilli bien mal. tout te derange." Well then I can garantee that I am getting older and wiser and I agree with everything that bothers him. He is doing this for the lake.
Chers résidents du Lac Simon et du Lac Barrière soyons solidaire à sauver notre beau Lac. Modifier certaines de vos habitudes...un petit changement par résident fera une grande différence.

Merci et longue vie à un Lac Simon en santé!

Thank you

Anne

Anonyme a dit...

A tout ceux qui s'en prennent à mon ami Paul Malouffe je trouve que vous avez tous un peu l'esprit tordu.Reveillez vous avant qu'ils soient trop tard.Des lacs comme le lac Archambeault, Ouareau,Mephremagog etc.... ou ont retrouvent des propriétés de plusieurs centaines de milliers de dollards sont maintenant prit avec des algues bleu et nous avec notre magnifique lac Simon et nos petits chalets en forme de cabanons que nous mettons sur le marché à $200 et $300,000 que ferons nous lorsque notre Lac sera rendu une marre à grenouille.Je sais , je suis aussi tordu que mon ami Paul , mais j'espère qu'il y en aura d'autres Paul qui seront se lever pour vous faire comprendre le bon sens.Je regrette que nous ayons un maire et un inspecteur municipale qui n'ont pas plus à coeur la protection de ce magnifique Lac .Lorsque les élections municipal arriveront ,nous les citoyens pour la protection du Lac nous nous lèverons et nous leurs monterons le chemin de la porte comme nous leurs avons montré ce que nous étions lors du référendum malgré leurs petite passe passe.

Anonyme a dit...

I believe that an event for people that like to get together and go fast once a year is not to much to ask for a big lake like Lac Simon. You can use children and kayakers to promote your antiquated views, but all this shows is that some of the anti-fastboaters are a bunch of sissys that only want it their way. Some of you people need to grow up and let others enjoy the lake. It does'nt need to always be your way. Sincerely, Randy Corson

Randycorson a dit...

I believe that an event for people that like to get together and go fast once a year is not to much to ask for a big lake like Lac Simon. You can use children and kayakers to promote your antiquated views, but all this shows is that some of the anti-fastboaters are a bunch of sissys that only want it their way. Some of you people need to grow up and let others enjoy the lake. It does'nt need to allways be your way. Sincerely, Randy Corson

Anonyme a dit...

ne pas confondre algue bleu et e-colie avec les bateaux ... le vrai probleme les systeme sanitaite et les engrais chimiques et de toute sortes j'aimerais voir les terrains de plusieurs des super protecteurs du lac .... souvent le probleme commence plus pres que l'ont crois plusieurs menbres de la supeur association devraient se regarder le nombril avant de chialler......

Anonyme a dit...

Bonjour,

Je ne confond pas les algues bleu ¸et maintenant les algues rouges et e-colie avec les bateaux ... le seul point que je voulais faire et que si nous ne commencons pas à faire un revirement totale sur nos consommations de produits toxique, nous allons totalement contaminer le lac. Si nous n'avions aucun de ses problèmes alors je suis bien d'accord avec vous que le POKER RUN 1 journée dans l'année ne serait pas un danger additionelle au LAC (nos rives). Avec certaines modifications apportés aux reglements je ne serais pas contre. Les gens ont le droit d'avoir du plaisir je suis bien d'accord avec vous.

À la personne qui a écrit le commentaire suivant "souvent le probleme commence plus pres que l'ont crois plusieurs menbres de la supeur association devraient se regarder le nombril avant de chialler......" Je peux vous garantir que dans notre chalet vous trouverai que de produits biodégradable, non toxique. Nous sommes également à replanter arbustes et arbres sur la rive. Notre fosse est très bien controlé.

Mon but n'est pas de chialler mais plutôt d'essayer de sensibiliser le plus de gens possible qu'il faut agir maintenant.

Randy I agree with you that 1 day in the year (with certain modifications made to the rules and certain laws respected.) is a super day for fast boat lovers and I am not against it. As we ourselves have a Seadoo and enjoy it very much.

So like you say let's all grow up and all make our contributions to a healthy Lac Simon. Let's replant trees, shrubs and flowers for those who have cut all of their trees on the borders of the lake, use biodegradable and non toxique products, no fertilizers on lawns, regularly verify our septic tanks and have fun every year at the POKER RUN..

Anne

Anonyme a dit...

bravo anne pour tes efforts pour l'environement et ton ouverture d'esprit j'espere que tu sera du poker run l'an prochain pis toi phil si tu veut chanter chez vous ou meme sur le le lac a tue tete ben go mon homme mes chez moi c'est un autre histoire on se promene pas en bateau sur TON terrain chage ce que tu peut et accepte ce que tu ne peut changer

Louis Favreau a dit...

À Alain, ne sous estimez pas la
petite gang comme vous dites si bien.
Aussi, traiter les gens de chialeux est assez arrogant car vous ne semblez pas accepter que d'autres font valoir leurs droits dans ce dossier.
On parle de vivre et laisser vivre,
moi je dis plutôt vivons en société et respectons tout le monde. Est-il
vraiment important d'avoir des bateaux ou des motos sans silencieux (straight pipes). Est-ce que tout le lac doit savoir
que votre bateau est là quand vous vous en servez? Est-ce le plaisir du bateau est diminué quand il fait
moins de bruit. Si tout le monde respectait les autres, y'aurait peût être moins de chialeux comme vous dites. Il me semble qu'on est tous des adultes, j'espère.

To Randy, calling people sissys because they express an opinion is
pretty lame for me. You should try
talking or understanding different point of views in this discussion.
Ce serait très intéressant de sonder les gens du lac et savoir que pense la majorité. Aussi,je pense que les ceux qui disent de déménager (des deux bords) font preuve d'immense étroitesse d'esprit.

Merci
Louis Favreau

Louis Favreau a dit...

À Alain, ne sous estimez pas la
petite gang comme vous dites si bien.
Aussi, traiter les gens de chialeux est assez arrogant car vous ne semblez pas accepter que d'autres font valoir leurs droits dans ce dossier.
On parle de vivre et laisser vivre,
moi je dis plutôt vivons en société et respectons tout le monde. Est-il
vraiment important d'avoir des bateaux ou des motos sans silencieux (straight pipes). Est-ce que tout le lac doit savoir
que votre bateau est là quand vous vous en servez? Est-ce le plaisir du bateau est diminué quand il fait
moins de bruit. Si tout le monde respectait les autres, y'aurait peût être moins de chialeux comme vous dites. Il me semble qu'on est tous des adultes, j'espère.

To Randy, calling people sissys because they express an opinion is
pretty lame for me. You should try
talking or understanding different point of views in this discussion.
Ce serait très intéressant de sonder les gens du lac et savoir que pense la majorité. Aussi,je pense que les ceux qui disent de déménager (des deux bords) font preuve d'immense étroitesse d'esprit.

Merci
Louis Favreau

Anonyme a dit...

gleA Louis Tu sembles parler au nom d'un gang bien organisé mais ne sois pas trop sûr de toi,car nous savons que même dans l'association que j'apprécie à l'occasion(lorsqu'ils lâchent les plaisanciers) il y a beaucoup de divergences d'opinion pour ce qui est des bateaux. Mon bateau il est à moteur alors il fait plus de bruit qu'un pédalo hé oui, bravo! mais moins que la tondeuse de mon voisin que j'aime quand même. Et bien sûr si tu n'as rien d'autre à faire que de chialer sur les bateaux, DEMENAGE sur un lac à pedalo. Je ne suis pas arrogant je constate Alain.

Anonyme a dit...

Bonjour je ne suis pas une résidante du Lac mais je suis de la région. Mes parents ont une résidence sur le bord du lac et nous apprécions si rendre. J'ai de jeunes enfants qui aiment se baigner et faire du bâteau avec leur grand père. Je trouve ça stupide que ceux qui aiment mettre la chicane et faire le trouble ce promène eux même en gros bâteau. Pouvez-vous vous regarder dans un miroir avant de chialler pour tous et pour rien, ce n'est que de la jalousie. Nous sommes vivant et appréciont la vie donc arrêté de regarder les autre et surveillé vous vous même. Vous devez être très malheureux pour faire du chiallage de cette sorte. Pour ce qui est du poker-run et bien je connaissais plusieurs personnes dans les bâteaux et je peux vous dire que ses gens ont mangé au Lac et ont été hébergé au Lac. Mêlé vous d'on de vos affaires et apprené d'on a apprécié les années qui vous reste à vivre. D'après ce que je peux voir seule les vieux chiale, et je trouve que c'est un très gros manque de respet. Je suis au courant des petite magouille que ce groupe fait dans le dos des résidents saisonnier. Ils ne veulent plus de bâteaux et ils veulent controler les résidents à leurs manières. Je vous dit chère résidants faite attention à vous et ne faite pas confiance trop vite.

Anonyme a dit...

tres bien dit tres bon oppinion de toute facon toujours la meme petite gang de chialeux une dixaine tout au plus qui se cache derriere l'association non pas des propriétaire DU lac mais bien DE LAC SIMON.

Anonyme a dit...

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